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Post by Chelsea Meissner on May 14, 2012 11:09:46 GMT -5
Well, here we are guys! The end of the game, the end of a game that was apart of our lives for the past two months, and it’s crazy that it’s all coming to a close right now. I think that everything that has been said and done in this questioning process has been both enlightening and revealing, and I hope that all of you got the answers to what you wanted to ask. Thank you to all of you for your questions! During this Final Tribal Council, my main goal was to stress how pre-existing relationships were what made this game what it is right now. Without them, there is a possibility that I wouldn’t be here right now and an even bigger possibility that Sydney wouldn’t be here right now. When it came to these pre-existing relationships, we both benefitted from them, but it comes down to who really benefitted from them the most, and I don’t believe it was me. I don’t want to offend you, Sydney, but I only say that because you had unbreakable bonds with people in this game and both of them aided you in the F6 and F5, whereas anything could have happened without ‘em. I had Matt, but I didn’t have a Mick who’s goal was to only play for you. Now, more than anything in this game, I wanted everything to end on a high note. I wanted it to end with the three people I thought deserved to be sitting here in the end as opposed to two people who played very well, and then a random goat. As we saw in Survivor: One World, it’s respectable to take the better players to the end of the game, and you can still be rewarded. I still don’t agree with taking out Matt and instead having someone like Tom sitting here in the end. But, that’s way beyond us and now out of my hands. This is the Final Three of Sausage Island III: Third Helping, and out of this three, I feel that I was a strong player in this game; I walked through this entire competition with the label of a “threat” slapped on my forehead, and still made it here to the end to vie for your votes. I believe that deserves some recognition. I made moves in this game that helped secure my spot. Knowing that I had “target” x’ed out on my back, I knew that I had to do anything and everything I could to minimize my opposition. The second I would hear about someone plotting against me, they became my number one target for the round. The Aras vote early on in the pre-merge is an example. I wasn’t as close to Aras, as he was to Sydney or any of the other people on Salchicha. However, I had the thought that he could have been close to other people in the game, and it had also been brought to my attention that he said he didn’t fully trust in Sandra or I. This meant that he had to go, so he was blindsided. The next person was Cochran. Cochran would go around and try to make final plans in this game that included everyone on Salchicha with the exception of me. So what happened? He got blindsided. Jay dropped a hint to Matt that they should make a huge move and take out a big player; me. So, what happened? He got blindsided. I believe that I deserve to win this game. I believe that my journey in making it here to these final three seats was more challenging. Yes, for the most part I was safe in this game, as was Sydney, but I feel that my road was a lot more rocky when it came to trying to get here. I had been put in a position a few times where I was vulnerable to go home, one of the bigger places being on NuBayonaca. However, I faced it head on and ended up coming out alive. I went through a lot in this game, through all the trouble with Bobby Jon, to people I thought were on my side wanting me out, to Matt being taken out of the game in a fashion that I don’t deem appropriate. Bobby Jon isn’t something I like to dwell on, but it really is something that gave me the motivation to push to the end. The people I thought were on my side that then wanted me out? That just goes to show they were playing the game, and I respect that. They should have wanted me out. I was a threat, I am a threat. But that just also goes to say that my bonds with them in this game weren’t unbreakable – and I had the chance to be taken out of the game, but never was. Lastly, the Matt vote, again. It should have been a 4-2 and not a 3-3; the tie felt cruel to me. I had a hand in taking out each and every one of you with the exception of Matt. Each of you were threats to my game in different ways. Chase, Semhar, and Shawna, you three were the antagonists in my story. You guys were the three that could have won in the end and had been sitting here where Sydney, Tom, and I are. You guys played good games and I respect the three of you for trying regardless of all the pre-relationship shenanigans. Jay, I respect you for wanting me out of this game. No one else at that point was wanting to take me out, but you did. You wanted to come after me, and the fact that you laid it out on the line that you wanted to make a big, bold move like that can’t help but recognized. It was ballsy! Stephanie, you know I heart you. I tried to help you as much as I could in this game, I fed you information to stay alive, to change things, because I did want you to stick around. Savage and Mike, you were two guys that I got to know at a dark stage in the game and I respect you, Mike, for making your own decision in flipping on Salchicha, and Savage, I respect you for being straight up and honest about yourself when it came to you not being comfortable to communicate with others. All of you on the Jury played a role in my game, whether it have been good, bad, hard, troubling, helpful, or enjoyable. Had the hosts asked me at the start of this game, after I saw all of you and all the other players, “Chelsea, do you think you’re going to make the end of this game?” I probably would have scoffed and rolled my eyes over the matter. But regardless, I stuck it out, faced the odds of this huge cast, and pushed here to the end. I hope that I was able to earn your guys’ respect if I hadn’t already in this game. When you go to vote for a winner, please vote for someone you truly feel deserves it, someone who had to fight to the end, from battling with the past, to facing unexpected opposition, and to losing their number one ally close to the end of the game. I want more than anything to be crowned the winner of this game, because I fought hard in this FTC to show that I deserve to be bestowed the honor of walking out from this Tribal Council, your winner, Sausage Island III: Third Helping’s winner. Thank you so much, and good luck, Sydney and Tom!
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on May 14, 2012 11:34:33 GMT -5
Sorry for the reply, but I said I'd fight tooth and nail! The argument pre-games benefited me more in comparison to yourself is false. I stayed alias from a lot of the people I knew right off the bat where you sought them out to recruit numbers. You were very SAFE with myself, Matt, and yes - Bobby Jon. Those three people would have never written your name down. You had a great relationship with Jay, Stephanie, and Sandra from before this game, and knew they would trust you because of that. It should be to my credit that I got the people that trusted me most to the end - because we each had the same amount of people that wouldn't put our names down, and you did have a closer relationship with Jay/Steph than I. You using the friends argument here in the final questioning is because I think it is the only card that can be twisted against me considering I managed to get Tom, you, and Mick here. I do feel I outplayed you by keeping those two here and going along with your dream final three - because yes you knew they'd keep me over you, and didn't try and stop it. Matt was exactly like Mick in regards to our relationship with them. Your best "move" in this game, as stated in Semhar's poem question, was about Bobby Jon. I think that emphasizes the difference in our strategic games.
Your statement "As we saw in Survivor: One World, it’s respectable to take the better players to the end of the game, and you can still be rewarded." That can also work for me in taking you. Matt had no true loyalty to me, as proven, so me taking him out was completely warranted. I don't think me taking him out should be held against me at all when he was never in my end game plans. He was in your pocket and I needed to cut that.
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Post by Chelsea Meissner on May 14, 2012 11:46:43 GMT -5
No need to be sorry, I figured you’d reply. You did the same thing in unveiling your alias to others, so I wouldn’t go that far in saying that your hands were clean from that. You told as many people who you were as I did as the game continued on. Both of us are guilty in that way, which I said. We both benefited from the pre-existing relationships. I did have great relationships with Jay and Sandra outside this game, yet they still found the want to come after me, for very smart reasons, too. I was a threat and they wanted to take me out so they had a better shot at making it to the end. Did any of your pre-existing bonds ever say they wanted you out? I don’t ever recall, actually. Therefore, in my eyes, they benefited you more which is why I made that statement. Regardless of what happens, the Jury will be the ones who ultimately decide who outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted eachother and everyone else. So we’ll leave it at that. If you win, you will deserve it, and I haven’t said otherwise, but I also feel that I deserve the victory just as much. Matt had no true loyalty to me. He did have loyalty to you. He was loyal the Final Four of myself, you, him, and Mick. You had said Mick wanted to bow out at the Final Four, which suggested that the Final Three of myself, you, and Matt was the end-game goal. The only reason I think you believe Matt wasn't with you was because we contemplated flipping to Stephanie. Did we? No. It was an option, but we didn't. You saying he wasn't loyal to you is an excuse. Your vote even said, you didn't play so and so days to have him win. Your reasoning for him going was because you thought he'd be the victor.
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on May 14, 2012 11:56:34 GMT -5
No need to be sorry, I figured you’d reply. You did the same thing in unveiling your alias to others, so I wouldn’t go that far in saying that your hands were clean from that. You told as many people who you were as I did as the game continued on. Both of us are guilty in that way, which I said. We both benefited from the pre-existing relationships. Oh I agree with that logic, I just didn't actively seek them out for numbers RIGHT from the get go. You and Matt picking the entire Salchicha tribe was using your pre-game relationships to create a huge voting block. I think that does separate us and shows you used them more hard early on. Neither of them wanted me in the end either. The only people I would consider to want me at the end BASED on friendship outside the game were you, Mick, and Tom. This was Mick and I's first game together as allies. Both of those guys felt like outsiders to the majority alliance on their tribes and just hung onto to our Salchicha group at the swap/merge in Tom's case. My point was, you had better relationships with Jay and Sandra. I considered myself an acquaintance with Jay back when this game started. Yes, this isn't about you sucking or anything lol. I feel this is a decision that is being weighed between us, (Tom has more or less thrown in the towel against us) which is why I feel the need to defend your arguments against me. You are a very well spoken person and are very decorative with your posts, but I think it masks the lack of moves you had in comparison to my game. You can harp on pre-existing relationships, considering I'm no more guilty than yourself, but I considered more variables outside our circle. (Mike is an example) And if pre-existing relationships are a huge determining factor for this vote, I believe it should hurt you more than myself based on that factor. Clearly he wasn't, as he voted out Matt. That would be called deceiving you and Matt - it's Survivor. I had told you Mick didn't want to face the Jury. I had said he is likely to bow out. I also told you time and time again I wanted him at the end. I also said my reason for voting out Matt was because he was the biggest threat. I didn't mean it was because he wasn't loyal to me - that was just what made me comfortable in doing so. I wrote plenty of times in my confessional about how Matt was such a villain and you couldn't trust a word out of his mouth. You had the luxury of trusting him based on pre-game. I didn't. To me he looked like a con-artist.
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Post by Chelsea Meissner on May 14, 2012 12:07:55 GMT -5
I don’t really see it that way, because getting that tribe together not only helped me, it helped you, it helped Matt, it helped Sandra, it helped Jay. It helped all five of us. Obviously that wasn’t how the game stayed the entire way. Jay and Sandra became two people who would ultimately want me out. As the game went on for you, when you found yourself in difficult spots or spots where you needed to cement someone with you, you unveiled your alias to get the job done; your identity helped you pull those strings. I may have done it in that way from the start, but if anything, that made me more of a threat from the get go and a bigger target. Very true, very true. But at the end of it all, it didn’t matter, did it? Jay wanted me out and Sandra was walking around and dropping “subtle” hints that I needed to be taken out so the game didn’t end up the way a game one year ago ended up. My pre-existing relationships were trumped by the fact that I was a threat in this game, and the people that I was seemingly close to, saw that, and wanted me out. That right there speaks for itself that even though I was targeted in this game, I still managed to persevere and make it here to the end, regardless of the targets that got pinned on my back countless times: from Semhar vocalizing I was the perceived leader of Salchicha to Jay trying to rally against me to Shawna voting for me because she saw me as the biggest threat left in the competition. I disagree with the latter portion of this comment. Just because I’m putting in extra effort in my answers and “decorating” my answers with graphics doesn’t mean I’m covering up for a lack of moves or gameplay. I am still fighting. This game is not over, and I’m still working to get votes to win this game. I’m not just going to throw together something standard or default and call it a day. I’m putting a lot of focus and time into everyone’s questions, regardless of who it is, or what impact they had on the game.
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on May 14, 2012 12:18:55 GMT -5
I don't think it helped me as much as your making it out to be. I think I would have done just fine in another tribe. I never asked you to bring me into a large tribe of your friends. I revealed my alias because it was becoming DANGEROUS for me based on you being EXPOSED to them. They would clearly vote me out over you if I was just some random. There was never one time in this game where I revealed myself to save myself as you make that sound. Sandra and Jay weren't exactly my BFF's before this game. It didn't make a huge difference. You also can't have it both ways. You can't say pre-existing relationships are really bad and then go and say you should be rewarded for being a huge target because of who you are.
As you said: You were a threat in this game and a "bigger target" as you stated, because of who you were. That is exactly why people from our group came to want you out. NOT because of your achievements in THIS game, but because of who your achievements in others. Because you hadn't left any mark in this game in terms of moves.
I didn't say you weren't fighting to win. Of course you are and of course I am. I was saying your performance in this Final Tribal Council is a lot of decoration, based on how this game really played out. I don't think you have the moves to go against my "moves", which is why you resorted to pictures and graphics with well typed responses. I think it's a great Jury pleaser - especially when you personalize your closing statement to give a comment to each person. I think the way you're attempting to win does not focus on the moves you've made, which is what a Final Tribal Council really should be about. It takes strategy and moves to make the best winner in my opinion. I think that is where our game differences is all.
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Post by Chelsea Meissner on May 14, 2012 12:50:03 GMT -5
Oh, of ‘course. I remember you saying you wanted to be on Misty’s tribe because it was Monique, who you also have a good relationship with outside this game. Your stance was you wanted to be on either/or, both tribes had people you had pull with because you knew them previously. To the second portion of your comment, that’s not what I’m saying at all. Pre-existing relationships is what produced the outcome of this game. Obviously you and I had some good ones because we both made it here, albeit yours were more unbreakable because none of them ever came after you while in the game or turned against you like they did on me. The reason I say that I was a target, was because I got it over with right at the start. People were aware of my connections as the game progressed. I went and got it over with in terms of flashing my hand to everyone. This made me a target early on in the game and made my path in getting to where I am right now a little more difficult, whereas you could have been looked at as just there and only revealing yourself to people at certain times where it would keep you safe. In that sense, I feel that it should be looked at as I laid my cards out on the table, knew I was a threat, didn’t deny it the majority of the time, and still made it. Refer to what I said above. Sandra’s reasoning to want me out was because of who I was, perhaps, yes, but in addition, she still made valid points that I was going to make the end and do whatever I could in the FTC. While this is about the game, personal factors still come into play. As I said in my answers to Shawna, I don’t think people should be judged or voted on because of past games or anything of that nature, but it still will sometimes come into play a majority of the time; it’s human nature. My reasoning for becoming a target is because of how I presented myself at the start of this game. I put together a tribe that was strong with Matt, we did well in competitions, people knew that I was more than likely making bonds with others, and that’s what made me a threat in this game. That’s why my pre-existing relationships wanted to take me out. Obviously at the time I was upset, but looking back it’s flattering they wanted me out. The way I’m attempting to win is showing everyone what I did in the sense that I took out people who were coming after me, what my journey was like to get here, stressing how pre-existing relationships are what ultimately got you and I here, and also saying that I was a threat in this game and was never taken out even though it would have been a really smart decision. As for the “moves” aspect, your ‘biggest’ was probably taking out Matt, and even then it didn’t make much sense in the way you handled it. A lot of your moves involved working with your pre-existing relationships, whereas mine were more of against mine because they were ultimately coming after me because of keen perception. Sydney, the whole point of the FTC is to put yourself across on the basis of what you’ve done in this game, and I feel I’ve done that. Me adding in the extra time to do photos or the like and writing well-written responses is just my way of showing that I care and I’m putting in the extra effort. You had the same opportunities to do what you would have liked in your answers.
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on May 14, 2012 13:02:15 GMT -5
WRONG just wanted to make that visible
I was saying how I DIDN'T want to be picked by Misty. She didn't know who I was. I didn't want to be picked by her because I bonded with group 2 and would of had to start over. You are so off about that it's not even funny. I didn't have any pull in "Misty's" tribe and she had no idea whom I was then - nor is she someone I consider a safety net for me. All the people who wouldn't go after you - which was the same amount - Matt/BJ you had control over - got voted out or were going to be. I kept the people who would keep me.
The other alliance apparently didn't even know who you were..and everyone ultimately found out who we both were from OUR side... So all of that is pointless. Your reputation is what made you such a "threat" in this game - and that's not even based off this game. For that, I don't think you being a threat and lasting long is a commendable thing. It's not like you were ever in danger.
Only thing I'll say to this huge wall of text is that people targeted you for having friends in this game, not "building" relationships or whatever.
You don't have any defining moves in this game at all. You make a good winner based on being well spoken and part of the dominant alliance where you were in the spotlight. There is no other layers to your game. Your decorations in this final questioning were for lack of that. It didn't help that I always answered first. Maybe I was hoping the Jurors would base their decisions off of my game moves and not sparkly images. I was genuine with every thing that went down in the game in my answers.
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Post by Chelsea Meissner on May 14, 2012 13:40:05 GMT -5
RIGHT I just wanted to make this visible too. She didn’t know who you were, but you knew who she was. This just goes into what I was saying. You may not have done it all at the start like I did [flashing your cards], but you did when you needed people in the game. Ending up on Misty’s tribe was something you mentioned wanting to possibly happen. I remember you saying that and I said, “No! I want you to be on this tribe!” I recall it almost perfectly. As for the second part, I didn’t have any control over Bobby Jon. Bobby Jon, like Jay and Sandra, was a pre-existing relationship that would ultimately work against me in this game. Bobby Jon was not with me, he was working against me. True statement. I wasn’t ever in danger, but I was put in the position to be in danger far more than you were. Could that be looked at as a good thing on your part? Maybe, if it weren’t for the fact that you had the unbreakable bonds you had in the game. The point I’m making, is that while we were in the game, I was the bigger threat of the two. People wanted to take me out, not you. I was the bigger target in the terms of both of us. The fact that I had that label, and still made it here to the end, is an accomplishment in it’s own right. When I heard of people wanting me out – they got taken out. My objective was to rid of those against me and I feel I accomplished that in almost every possible way, the proof is there. However, you wanna’ see it is fine by me. We’ll agree to disagree. I’m not going to keep “harping” on the ‘targeted ‘cause you is you’ point. And again, we’ll agree to disagree. This whole debate between us that has been going on for the past two hours has been repetitive. You’re basically saying the same things over and over, just reworded differently, and I’ve caught on that I’m basically doing the same thing. As I said a few posts ago, we’re against eachother, we’re both vying for the victory, but the Jury will decide who wins the game. We’ve laid everything out on the line in all our answers and also this debate. Clearly this is coming down to who wants “the last word”. I’m not going to keep re-hashing the same points over and over, and I know you feel the same way as you’ve mentioned it on AIM a few minutes ago. In conclusion ~ best of luck, Sydney!
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on May 14, 2012 13:51:45 GMT -5
RIGHT I just wanted to make this visible too. She didn’t know who you were, but you knew who she was. This just goes into what I was saying. You may not have done it all at the start like I did [flashing your cards], but you did when you needed people in the game. Ending up on Misty’s tribe was something you mentioned wanting to possibly happen. I remember you saying that and I said, “No! I want you to be on this tribe!” I recall it almost perfectly. As for the second part, I didn’t have any control over Bobby Jon. Bobby Jon, like Jay and Sandra, was a pre-existing relationship that would ultimately work against me in this game. Bobby Jon was not with me, he was working against me. Bobby Jon was your pet. He was in love with you and would have never voted for you if you batted your eyes. You're way off base on the Misty thing. I remember talking to her as ALIAS Sydney. Then she won captain. So I went to you and said.. "omg, I hope she doesn't pick me!" Because I would be away from all the people in group 2 - who I spent the first night bonding with. I did not say I wanted it to happen at all, so eat your rice. The fact people wanted to take you out is not a good quality to your game. You made finals, but so what? You were never in danger. I was also included in the trifecta of threats by the other alliance. I also demonstrated my power over yours in bringing us here. I think it's off base for you to say that when you heard people wanted you out - they got taken out. Couldn't I say the same exact thing? We took out that entire side who wanted us both out. Yeah, this is probably unnecessary anyways, I'm sure most have voted since it's the last day and all lol. If you win, congratulations - you know I adore you. It just won't change my belief in my own game.
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Post by Chase Rice on May 14, 2012 16:00:53 GMT -5
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Post by Andrea Boehlke on May 14, 2012 19:20:02 GMT -5
From game play point of view, One World did not have the best final 3. LOL (From a fan point of view, I think it did).
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on May 14, 2012 19:21:15 GMT -5
Wrong thread andrea
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Post by no on May 14, 2012 19:22:26 GMT -5
AHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by Andrea Boehlke on May 14, 2012 19:36:49 GMT -5
Actually, it wasn't, I knew where I was posting. I'm not saying anymore til the end of the game.
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